This is an abridged version of the crit/talk I had with Ed Keller over Skype:
ME
ED
ok, first: I think you should be careful about the fake personality baiting people online. That stuff has an all too high percentage probability of cascading back into reality.
ok, first: I think you should be careful about the fake personality baiting people online. That stuff has an all too high percentage probability of cascading back into reality.
First thoughts
the homeless/gloryhole/breadtabs and fruit do all connect in a weird way.
the homeless/gloryhole/breadtabs and fruit do all connect in a weird way.
And depending on the way it's read, or the people you track, it could
be positive, transcendent, etc... or on another line, pretty evil.
So... step lightly....
evil?be positive, transcendent, etc... or on another line, pretty evil.
So... step lightly....
im sorry you could you explain, evil isn't my intent.
Oh I didn't mean your agenda!!!! it's basic: if you create a false id with another gender, etc, and for one reason or another folks out there who might have a higher [infinitely?] pain tolerance
level begin to take interest... that's not what you want.
level begin to take interest... that's not what you want.
I am just suggesting caution, you know, basic common sense. it's a caveat emptor, or more professionally as a representative of SCIArc,
I have to say 'stop!' be careful.
right right right.. ok i thought the connection of the 4 elements hadI have to say 'stop!' be careful.
an evil part to them... with he alt. persona, i don't reveal
anything, just to find out where the location is. i haven't gone
physically to these holes yet because i was afraid to do it alone.
Also, if you are using so many interfaces for deployment, you are creating a meta profile that will make it easy for the motivated individual to find o0ut who you really are. CF oyur platial uses. so you have to be savvy. For example I have no idea what you might expect if you visited a site, but i would guess that you could get into any range of situations. So, once again, and then I'll move on:
please be careful, and know what you are doing. LA is a crasy nasty place like all big cities [ and plenty of small ones]. with that said. I think that there is a theoretical value to the
glory hole stuff...the website you found which tries to situate D&G in that space. But, as I mentioned in the earlier email- depends on how rigorously one reads the whole BwO thing, and what one might imagine it would mean to have 'an organ'. Personally i think they were not against organs of any kind, but against a paradigm that saw the world only thru
superficial conditions which could then be ascribed to what one saw at the macroscopic level as an organ. an eye, an ear, a sense, a finger, skin, etce etc.
please be careful, and know what you are doing. LA is a crasy nasty place like all big cities [ and plenty of small ones]. with that said. I think that there is a theoretical value to the
glory hole stuff...the website you found which tries to situate D&G in that space. But, as I mentioned in the earlier email- depends on how rigorously one reads the whole BwO thing, and what one might imagine it would mean to have 'an organ'. Personally i think they were not against organs of any kind, but against a paradigm that saw the world only thru
superficial conditions which could then be ascribed to what one saw at the macroscopic level as an organ. an eye, an ear, a sense, a finger, skin, etce etc.
Now I don't want to sound too dry and cautious and hoity toity about old D+G and how they should be read. Cause I see some pretty interesting connections between the scope of the different populations you are starting to map. The breadties are real, there are billions
of them, but there are almost totally insignificant. I checked that [humorous[ taxonomy website. So it seems that there is a meta theme that you are developing, which
is something related
im in contact with the guy who started it. he's in Berkley, studiedof them, but there are almost totally insignificant. I checked that [humorous[ taxonomy website. So it seems that there is a meta theme that you are developing, which
is something related
invertebrate zoology and sculpture now he does visual effects on the
computer like "monsters and spaceship" and ive been in contact with other bread tab enthusiasts so they can help me map it
that is great. it is a subsubsubculture, but nonetheless a very interesting one.
I suppose that the concept of the SPIME that bruce sterling talks
about will ultimately be present even in bread tabs.
so i have to ask you as well, if you find one please tell me whereabout will ultimately be present even in bread tabs.
you find it, street address or about and if you can photo graph it..
Now, why am i mentioning this?
well, pattern recognition. Fredric Jameson has a number of things to
say about Pynchon's amazing ability as a voyant, in his own book Geopolitical Aesthetic.
say about Pynchon's amazing ability as a voyant, in his own book Geopolitical Aesthetic.
And Pynchon is so good at seeing the connections bettween seemingly
unrelated things. And finding pattern even in things like, well, breadties...!
unrelated things. And finding pattern even in things like, well, breadties...!
seems that you are concerned with use value- and to the way that
taxonomy of seemingly tiny, or dislocated bodies- might accrue to something much more significant.Anyhow, one theme I see here because you focus on the homeless- which
has a deeply ethical potential reading- and on the fallen fruit,
which also raises an interesting issue vis. access, energy, legal lines and lot lines, etc etc-
has a deeply ethical potential reading- and on the fallen fruit,
which also raises an interesting issue vis. access, energy, legal lines and lot lines, etc etc-
is that you are concerned with agency that each of these bodies would have.
yes, each having individual agency but having a catalyst affect on each othersI think- to cut to the chase here- that
you have to CLEARLY state what you think each bodie's ability is [individual or collective, vis- one homeless person, or a million bread ties] and then you have to abstract that knowledge, so that you can
understand- through diagrams, maps, perhaps scripting- the way that a
generalized version of each agents' abilities could migrate to other agents.
you have to CLEARLY state what you think each bodie's ability is [individual or collective, vis- one homeless person, or a million bread ties] and then you have to abstract that knowledge, so that you can
understand- through diagrams, maps, perhaps scripting- the way that a
generalized version of each agents' abilities could migrate to other agents.
FULL STOP.
you mentioned it all connecting a-la Amores Perros.
looking for a mechanism for their intertwined narratives/existances
to to expose themselves
OK. Could be fictional; like Amelie, which Bjork was looking at; ? there are great examples of those kinds of narrative. Red by Kieslowski. City of Lost Children has some amazing 'Rube
Goldberg' type sequences of connectivity. Amateur by Hal Hartley.
Goldberg' type sequences of connectivity. Amateur by Hal Hartley.
Or could be real world where you track real connections, energy, etc expended....
it is also to me a fascinating book because it deals with a lot of territory that Bataille covers in Accursed Share Vol. 1, but F-Galiano never footnotes or mentions Bataille. Which I've thought is weird. Ah, well there you go. And the issue of energetic accumulation in
systems is definitely present in all four of your examples. And expenditure, too. And excess.
systems is definitely present in all four of your examples. And expenditure, too. And excess.
It might be an enjoyable read for you and help the project. I liked the book a lot.
thank you. im on it.OK. well in summary I would go back to a comment I made a little while ago.
There have got to be aspects of each population you are dealing with that can be connected to via design moves. I would say that any analytic you pursue should always be looking
for the design parameters and how they will inflect the individ/population behaviors. Does that sort of make sense? I hope so, it's a little vague, but think of the way that the design of the bread tie could change through a minute inflection the way it is used, or in a technologically inflected way [say it was biodegradable over six months] would then change the way it affects the landscape/ ecosystems- or if embedded with RFID tags, would change tracking of loaves of bread and indeed the users/eaters of the loaves... and
provide a really amazing map of those populations....
There have got to be aspects of each population you are dealing with that can be connected to via design moves. I would say that any analytic you pursue should always be looking
for the design parameters and how they will inflect the individ/population behaviors. Does that sort of make sense? I hope so, it's a little vague, but think of the way that the design of the bread tie could change through a minute inflection the way it is used, or in a technologically inflected way [say it was biodegradable over six months] would then change the way it affects the landscape/ ecosystems- or if embedded with RFID tags, would change tracking of loaves of bread and indeed the users/eaters of the loaves... and
provide a really amazing map of those populations....
Wooo.
Pretty thorough and thick. more later...
I have to go scope out some homeless...
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